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Daniel Does DFW Theater
Sermons and Songs from the "Thymnal" (with Sinclair Freeman)
Grab your backstage pass and join us for a heartwarming jaunt down the theater lanes of DFW with the wonderfully versatile Sinclair Freeman. Our laughter echoes through tales of frosty outdoor 'Elf' performances and inside jokes that are the stuff of legends. Sinclair isn't just a friend; he's a captivating storyteller whose tales from 'The 25th Annual Putnam County Spelling Bee' to his understudy work at DTC will have your imagination running wild. And yes, we even conjure up a whimsical rivalry with the one and only Michael B. Jordan because, why not? But it's not all chuckles and serenades; we dive deep into the soul of theater, discussing the impact of personal transitions on self-discovery and the stage. The importance of diversity and inclusion in casting shines through as we tackle the broader quest for representation. Hang onto your teacups; this episode promises not only insight into the enchanting world of performing arts but also a resonant conversation about the human experience that connects us all.
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Hi guys and welcome back to Daniel Does DFW Theater. Hooty Hoot! Hang on Tea Cups. Hey, welcome back. I'm so excited for episode two. I hope you enjoyed episode one, mom. Thank you for watching it a thousand times. The views have really gone up watching it overnight. Whatever you're doing, I appreciate it, but to everyone else watch it.
Daniel:It's there. Dani was amazing, so just go back. But do you know who I have today? That's kind of even more amazing. Sorry, dani, today I have Sinclair Freeman. Welcome to the show, Sinclair. Thank you. Yeah, thanks for being here. I was nervous asking you because we have never really like we've met and I use that term lightly, because sometimes I think our friends are just really rude and expect everyone to know everybody and I was like I get that DFW is small, but like I still don't know that person.
Sinclair:But I was nervous Like I slid into your DMs. Sinclair is difficult to get a hold of. Oh sorry.
Daniel:God so sorry. When I tell you, I messaged this man probably about 50 times. I thought I was being a stalker for a minute Because I was like are you there? Can we record? Can we do this? So I'm glad that I reached out to some friends and was like I just need his number Because we're going to do this no matter what. But yeah, we've met a couple times my favorite moment and when I knew.
Daniel:I was like I love this person was and it may mean nothing to you at all was when we went to go see Barbie.
Sinclair:Yes.
Daniel:Okay, good, absolutely. We went to go see Barbie for Dani's birthday. Yes, wow, call back to me. Thanks, danny. And that movie really isn't even like an emotional or anything, but there were moments where you and I were laughing together.
Sinclair:Yes, and I was like this is my this is like we're in this, together, we're giggling. And then at the end.
Daniel:I'm over here like this, crying and I look over and you're like okay, thank God. I'm not the only one, and there was a moment I was like yes, I was like I don't know you, so. I was like just glad that. I'm with you there, okay, good, yes, I felt that I knew that in that moment I was like I can be friends with this person, yes, and I love this person. Yes Again. Barbie is not a emotional film, but it still got me. In the end it did.
Daniel:There was just something about like, yes, women power for everyone that I was all about, but no, you have done a lot of things though here in the area. Specifically, I would say straight plays. Yeah, Right, yeah. I've only seen you in two shows. The first time I actually saw you on stage was you're like?
Sinclair:oh yeah, I was like I don't know this, you were doing that burglask.
Daniel:Oh, yeah, yeah, of course you had that feather boa Back in the day. Yeah, so you were in elf.
Sinclair:Oh yeah, you had fire house.
Daniel:Yeah, where you all, it was COVID time. It was COVID time, and so you had to do the outdoor cold freeze your like ass off. It was so cold, I remember like I was like those elves have got to be shivering, yes, cause they're all the time, tiny, just, you only had a suit on.
Sinclair:I did. Yeah, I got to be Walter, so I got the business.
Daniel:Cause you were playing the father.
Sinclair:Yes, and Walter Hobbs. It's not the character names.
Daniel:I remember you opened your mouth for the first, and so my mom has a thing for it, and so I've developed it for raspy voices, oh, yeah. Like my mom, likes older raspy voice people Like, even like a Carol King sometimes has a little.
Sinclair:Yeah, she's to it.
Daniel:Right, yeah, that like just fits perfect. And you open your mouth and I was with a Stephen D Morris, the producer of theater Arlington, and I went and cause I think auditions were coming up for like sister act or something, and so he was like I mean I am looking for a Curtis you know, at some point, and so I just we're coming up and I was like I think you may have which I don't think you were able to do it after all, but I was like I love this person's voice so much, and then the only other thing, I saw you.
Daniel:well, I didn't even see you in it, did I? I did come see spelling. I was like yeah, I did see spelling bee, which you were phenomenal. I was a little upset. That was my dream role. I can't wait to watch you do it.
Daniel:Whenever it happens next, it's all you, yeah, Cause I can play. You could barely play. I was like, okay, here we go. There was a moment I was like you are acting I don't know about prison. You really have to be. It's like a rough character, which that's probably why I wasn't cast. Yeah, that's the tattoos of the flowers.
Sinclair:They were like thug.
Daniel:That's all it is. He's got it yeah. But yeah, no, I, I saw you in that loved the I love you song is just, oh, I had so much bunting in that beautiful song and you got to do it with Brett and on and then, oh so powerhouses, yes, Literally like all of y'all were fighting for your life.
Sinclair:I felt lucky that I got to sing with them. It was so fun yeah.
Daniel:I loved that. Speaking of recent projects, I know you recently were just booked at DTC.
Sinclair:Yeah Was that your first DTC? Yes, it was Thank you?
Daniel:What role did you play? Were you a swing? Yes, yes so.
Sinclair:I was one of the male understudies so I understood understudied for Bob Cratchit and then Mr Fezziwig, so that was a lot of fun. I got to hang out with Yvonne and Randy Perelman and they were both like lovely to like work with and understudy so it was really fun.
Daniel:I really feel like you could do a whole case study on Randy Perelman Absolutely, and everything that he has to offer.
Sinclair:He was the one yeah.
Daniel:No for sure. So very lucky with that. I must say I'm jealous of you because I had a crush when I was a kid on set label. You did, I did, I'm not kidding you. I remember watching Wishbone oh my God and in the Odyssey episode.
Sinclair:I was a Wishbone girl. Let's go.
Daniel:In the Odyssey episode she played the wife, right? Yes, and so when he like comes back and like, they have the shooting arrow contest and stuff, like in Wishbone, has a little pause. Yes, oh my.
Sinclair:God, I was like I don't know, it's okay.
Daniel:But like I thought she was the, it still is, yes, the most beautiful person.
Sinclair:Yes, in Wishbone Absolutely.
Daniel:And so I'm like so much so I like became a little creepy. I saw her at a lyric show and I was like I hate you, sally, I promise I'm not stalking you, I'm not coming for you. She is so incredible. I love you. Credible yeah.
Sinclair:It was like it felt like a masterclass to get to watch her in rehearsal.
Daniel:Honestly, Well, they froze the cast, right. So last year she played Marley. Did she play Marley again? Yes, oh, she was, so I didn't get to see it this year, unfortunately, but I did see it last year. Okay, yes, just so. I mean the whole cast, honestly.
Sinclair:Yes, it's pretty so yeah, so great.
Daniel:And then are you. Do you have anything coming up, do you? What do you have in the works?
Sinclair:I mean, for the first time in my life, I'm like actually pursuing projects. I would say before I would just be like I know I specifically fit this or I know someone, and it's like just text me if you want me to go. That's makes me sound like I'm okay. Timothy Shalaman no, oh my God. No, no, no, no, no. I want audition, just text you.
Daniel:No, oh my.
Sinclair:God, okay so no, I didn't mean it like that. I mean I was mostly busy. I was a caretaker for my mom, so my schedule was pretty, pretty packed. But now I have a lot more time on my hands and I'm my upcoming projects are auditions.
Daniel:Basically Nice, nice, nice, nice, yeah, no, in the streets, I mean. Whatever it is, there's tons of things coming up to me that I can already see you fit for that, I think, would be lovely. Tell me about maybe one of your favorite projects that you've done. Ooh, one of my favorite, one of your favorite shows.
Sinclair:Yeah, um, this was maybe one of my, after returning back to theater, after taking like a five-year break, I Did a play which was a co-production between a flexible great theater and uptown players, called cooties, and it was for like Pride month, so they had a festival and so there was like a one-man show and then our show that we, that we alternated with and, yeah, that was my first time being in a show with a completely queer cast queer director.
Sinclair:It was just the best and the show was like just About college students living their lives and and queerness was a part of the story but not the main part, and it felt Really special to be able to tell that story from such a place of authenticity. And I got to be in the show with my wife, so that was cool. We were at Mary's, but which congratulations you.
Daniel:what has it been a couple months?
Sinclair:Yeah, I got married in October.
Daniel:I was married now. How long have y'all been together? About six years, y'all were babies. Yes, yeah, no sick Bob it congrats. Yeah, thank you, husband, material all the way, thank you Are. You do all the cooking.
Sinclair:No, oh my god, I can't cook to save my life. But I'm very handy. I'm handy, I can clean the car. I'll do the oil turn you, oh you, you do oil changes. I mean I could, I don't, but I oh I'm do. I mean I can take the car for you. That's what I mean by.
Daniel:It's like I'll bring you the pants. Like, that's what I was like with my dad, like bring me the wrench and I bring him a hammer and he's like you, stupid, oh yeah because I didn't know anything, right, yeah but okay, never mind. So if you can't do it, I know how to drive into a dealer, I can handle that much. So you got started here.
Sinclair:I was still like TCC right, you did rap time you just on a whim, was it just yeah. So I went to SMU for a couple of years. I didn't graduate. I started off singing opera there. That makes so much so.
Daniel:I can hear it in your voice you were classically trained. Yeah, yes, it's there.
Sinclair:Yeah, it was like a huge choir nerd in high school did all stated all that stuff. And so After after I stopped singing opera, I was like I don't think I want to perform, until I just randomly was like what they're doing? Rag time Need more black people.
Daniel:Well, and I'm sure you were like I'll just done rag time. You did opera. Yeah, I can do Exactly.
Sinclair:I was like okay, I can do this, and so I just went and auditioned and I ended up booking Sarah's friend.
Daniel:Because you're Timothy, shallow, because I'm Timothy, timothy, timothy, timothy, timothy, that's who you I'm gonna start calling you. Oh, wonderful now. So you just did how. How long ago was that?
Sinclair:that was in like 2013, so that was a long.
Daniel:Over 10 years, yeah, wow. And then from there you just kind of like skyrocket. I feel like You've had like a come up right, like it feels like it like you, you've started the momentum and you really have just like put your work into it. I would say yeah to be where you are. I mean, booking DTC is something that.
Sinclair:Yeah, people want to do.
Daniel:Yeah, and so I think that that's a special and amazing and awesome. Speaking of special, amazing and awesome, I'm Daniel Hernandez. No, I want us to go ahead and do your first song. Okay, I think that I'm ready to hear you sing a little bit, and and it's a song that I'm really not even familiar with. So let's get over there, let's have you sing something that you sound good in all right, do you think that? Do y'all want to hear him sing? We'll see. Okay, well, let's go. So I just picked this song.
Sinclair:My now wife introduced this song to me many years ago.
Daniel:You know I had never heard of it until today, which I don't know what I'm playing, so we'll see what happens. Yeah, is it like meaningful at all? Does it mean, or you just think it's really pretty?
Sinclair:I think it's beautiful. I'm a romantic. I love to see about love.
Daniel:Oh well, let's sing about love.
Sinclair:It's been hot, also very sweet, though I'm you not usually In discreet. But when he sparkles, the earth begins. What more can I say? How can I express how confused am I by our happiness? I can't eat breakfast, I cannot tie my shoe. What more can I do? If I say I love him, you might think my words come cheap. Let's just say I'm glad he's my awake. The sleep it's been hot Also. It's been swell, more than not. It's been more than words can tell. I Halt, I stammer, I sing the wrong. What more can I say? I'll stay On time my tongue and try and stay both Kind and young. I was taught never bragg or shout, but still it's hot, just like how you read about, and also caring and never to uncouth. That's the simple truth. Can you tell? I have been revised. It's so swell, damn it. Even I'm surprised. I we laugh, we fall, we take it day by day, day by day. What more can I say?
Daniel:I'm gonna say, wow, that was such a fevers, Thank you, yeah, no, again I felt the fevers again. Yeah, I was like guys that walk over here, just everything Steaman, steaman. Speaking of steaming, let's talk about your arch nemesis, that steaming pile of poop. I was like God If you had tell it to me real. Okay, If you had an imaginary arch nemesis, right, one person who is constantly beating you to the punch, constantly stealing your roles I mean your roles Constantly. You know, just one up and you went in that audition room, right, that steaming pile of poop, whoever it is. I was like, can I say that on the podcast? I can say it. Who is your main competitor? Imaginary arch nemesis in the DFW area?
Sinclair:Oh man in the DFW area. Oh, no, no, no. Do you know what? Open it up. Yeah, michael B Jordan is my arch nemesis. He is taking my roles. I should have been agreed, even though I've never attempted to act in film. It should have been me.
Daniel:Do you know what? That's what I think. I would have liked that. I would have liked that.
Sinclair:I don't know about the DFW area. As far as my arch nemesis goes, I, I. I don't know, I'm not very competitive.
Daniel:Is it Tara?
Sinclair:Park. Yes, tara, stop booking my roles.
Daniel:Can you imagine her as a comfort counselor?
Sinclair:She probably could do it. She could probably do it she she would do it too.
Daniel:You could do it. That's the thing.
Sinclair:It would sound amazing, that's the tea, though it would sound good.
Daniel:There's like a standing ovation every night.
Sinclair:Wonderful, bring her back. I think you wanted to do it again.
Sinclair:Listen, okay, let's, let's try it, let's shake it up.
Daniel:So, speaking of your voice, there's something that I do want to talk about. Yeah, so I want to talk about you navigating your voice right Through your transition at the same time. Yeah, because I feel like that that's something that I've worked with someone right who also transitioned, and just that navigation of the voice and finding it, because when you're on hormones and everything like you don't know where it's going to sit or where it's going to go. Yeah, and so I like how did you find because you've settled so well in your voice and it really fits you Like how, how did you really work on that? What did you?
Sinclair:what it was just time, honestly, for me, as soon as I started taking hormones, the change happened really quickly. I would say within the first three months, like throughout my transition, I basically stayed employed through like a church job by saying I'm at the discharge, I was a section leader, and so I was a soprano too, and so I, yeah, next week, like it was maybe a month later, and I had to go to the director, I was like I need to move down and it was fine, and so I was very fortunate. It was like a very open and affirming church.
Daniel:Methodists are typically I have done many gigs at a Methodist church. They're like bring on the queers.
Sinclair:Yes. So they were like they were the good ones and I just was able to slide on down and so, basically, just like not pushing it too hard, just taking it very easy Like church music. We're not doing anything too hard. It's him's, it's it's offertories, it's it's stuff that feels like that would be good for a young voice. So that was good for my voice. Well, him's or hers, however they are, or them's baby.
Daniel:I'm going to start calling them.
Sinclair:All right, that's like. Yes, open up to them number. Baby, find me in the beauty Sunday.
Daniel:Because I still have a church gig, but it's at a Catholic church and sometimes I have to announce the song numbers. So catch me, catch me at Holy Trinity Catholic Church saying our next them 749 and the breaking bread booklet. Okay, they're going to think that I have a stroke of it.
Sinclair:No, just tell me what you're going to do.
Daniel:Everyone, because I know there's some queers in that audience. It's not a performance of Lord, I promise Sorry, so that seems like it was an easy navigation for you.
Sinclair:Yeah.
Daniel:How was navigating other things through the transition? So like family, friends, acting community?
Sinclair:Yeah, I family.
Sinclair:Oh, eventually came around and I'm like so grateful for that, because it is hard for people who have grown up my mom like group Catholic, so like to have a like gay kid and then to have a trans kid is like a lot to deal with and although she made many mistakes in that journey, in the end she was very supportive and and a force to regret in my life, I would say. As far as theater goes, I just kind of didn't do anything for about five years just because I didn't know what my voice was going to sound like and I didn't have. I just needed to settle and I was not really confident in my abilities like I studied to operate as me, but that's the extent of my training really. So I just wasn't, I wasn't really ready to put myself out there until later.
Sinclair:Yeah, and I don't think that that's necessarily like the best choice. If, like trans, people are watching this, I don't think you need to hide yourself while you're transitioning, like there are plenty of roles I could have played throughout that process. But this was your path, but it's your journey, yeah, it's your journey. So whatever works for you, yeah, it did.
Daniel:It did Right and if you needed that step back to really find yourself, to be able to come back even stronger that's what it is right. Some people work through that and are able to do it as they're doing it. Yes, I'm very much so like I'm just going to figure it out on my own. Yes, yeah, so would you say that it has hindered any of your bookings or work?
Sinclair:Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, and I would say that this is coming from a place of like privilege within the trans community. Like, most people don't know that I'm a trans guy unless I tell them. I mean, my Instagram used to be trans and trifling, so they would like know if they went to that, but I was like I guess I'll be a professional and call myself Sinclair D Freeman.
Daniel:I, but I'm going to make a match. There were a lot of.
Sinclair:Koreans like me.
Sinclair:I bet.
Sinclair:I'm circular and bingo.
Daniel:It's re-man. Yes, we're like this like no it's not interesting. Well, there's no need to present that right in that form Right, like it, just it doesn't.
Sinclair:It doesn't matter. So I've been very fortunate that, like, my voice has settled, and like for people that are transitioning to like the more masculine end of the spectrum, or take test doctrine I'll just speak that way um, like your voice, getting deeper is much easier to handle, like vocally, like if a person was born as a guy and starts taking estrogen, your vocal cords can't become less thick. Your voice is not going to go higher, it can't without vocal training and extensive work to make it do that. And I don't think they should have to do that.
Sinclair:I think there are plenty of trans women that are singers, like Sis, that can sing beautifully in their natural range, and it doesn't detract from the story in any way whatsoever to hear something lower. That's crazy to me.
Daniel:Well, and people like there was an uproar about that whole production first off, yes, I mean okay, fine. Yeah, I get that. Some of it was a little weird and maybe I didn't understand some of it, but it was very artsy for me. But there's one thing that you couldn't attack and it was a person playing a part. Right, you know, yes, that they are fine playing.
Daniel:Yes, because you know and I think sometimes we have that problem even in the DFW area. You know, about putting the right person in the right spot, whether it be age, gender, diversity, whatever it may be. Yes, right, I think that, but in a wider set we still have issues with that. Absolutely but. And then I, not to say you're at an advantage. I mean, those were your words, right, that you sometimes do, I am.
Daniel:But I feel bad for some of our other DFW community actors right that who don't get booked or who don't have the opportunities that you sometimes get because they may not present Exactly, it's all about that.
Sinclair:Like, some people don't have the option of disclosing whether they're trans or not, because as soon as you walk into the room they know yeah, and it makes me furious that theaters say that they want to cast diverse shows and they're open to casting people of all genders, and then they don't do it.
Daniel:Yeah, I saw something on Facebook the other day that Dom shared.
Daniel:Yes, that we need to be more aware of it, because have you noticed that theaters have even started removing that little tagline, or you know, the disclaimer of we are open to people of diverse genders, backgrounds, whatever races. It's no longer on auditions, yeah. So why? Why theaters? Why? Why have we removed that? That should still be and it was not just we're doing it for a year because we need to make everybody happy because of something that happened. Yeah, it needs to be. We're continuing with this because these are our values, this is what we stand for.
Sinclair:And it tells a better story. You can't tell me that if you're casting from the most diverse pool, that you're not going to tell the best possible story. You're robbing yourself in audiences by limiting yourself to the same groups of people over and over again.
Daniel:I'm sick of the. Well, they did not audition, they weren't as talented. I'm sick of those experiences. Right, it needs to be a. Were they really not as talented or were you just did? You have your horse blinders on Right and you just saw that specifically in that one person that you wanted to see. But this person may have another skill that really you know works for them. So I mean, I'm just here to say we're sick of it, we're sick of it, so, and I'm canceled, we up there, but, yeah, you too, for sure. Well, I'm glad to hear that. You know you were able to settle in your way and I would definitely say, when I came to theater Arlington which is mostly a conservative group of people that come to shows at theater Arlington I don't think any of them would have ever have thought that they were cheering on hugging a trans person of color yeah.
Daniel:Yeah, yeah, that's funny.
Sinclair:I like to tell people afterwards too, because, like I honestly have changed a lot of people's minds by that, because like I'm not, I'm just a guy.
Daniel:Like I know.
Sinclair:Exactly, I like to giggle, I like wine, I like to hang out with my friends, like I like to sing, and so you've met me now and you've encountered that I'm like a normal person, not the boogeyman that everyone's been telling you. So what do you do with that now?
Daniel:Yeah, and here's what I have to say about this. I hope at one point all of this just fades away. Yes, it all fades away, which brings us to your next song. Yeah, so we're going to head over into the piano and hear a little bit more of Sinclair singing. So this is your go-to audition, right, or one of them? One of them? Yeah, yeah, Anything that you've auditioned with that you've booked because of this or like it's a horrible project. Actually no, Maybe later on you know what, maybe?
Sinclair:Yeah, you know my vocal coach so you know what, you know what.
Daniel:But I do. I think this song is great, right? Yeah, it's fun. You'll know once you hear it. He's not going to do the no, not today, but everything else he's got Right. Okay, let's try it out, let's see what happens.
Sinclair:Okay, I was sliding down the mountain, I was burning in the sun, I was crying with amazement at the view, I was capturing a moment. But when all is said and done, well, it all fades away, but you. It all fades away. It all fades away. It all fades away but you. I have sailed across the oceans, past the seas and the farms on a never-ending quest for something new, and the only thing that mattered were the four days in your arms cause it all fades away, but you it all fades away, it all fades away, it all fades away, but you.
Daniel:So when I started this, I was like no Sondheim, no Jason Overbrown, Because I don't play piano. Vonda, I don't play piano, so don't call me up please, ma'am. But I was willing to do a Jason Overbrown for you today, because I do love that song and I played it enough because I sing it as well. Right, but Vonda, don't call me up, don't do it, cause I know she said something like don't list that you can't do those she didn't say that, yeah, she's like hire a real accompanist.
Daniel:Then I was like she didn't growl. Well, I ain't got the budget to hire a real accompanist. Vonda, you wanna come for free? She ain't coming. Nope, she ain't going to. No wonderful Speaking of like. I had a lot of mishaps on the piano. Let's talk about some mishaps maybe that you've had. I know that. You know you may not have spelt something correctly. One time I did. I did there. Yeah, this good ol' show I'm coming clean.
Sinclair:I'm coming clean. Okay, you'll read up.
Sinclair:Not the cuckoo. Get in the rainbow.
Sinclair:During Spelling Bee, during my big monologue, where Garrett is frozen in space and it's just the light spotlight on me. I'm staring into Garrett's beautiful blue eyes, monologuing, and I completely forget what I'm supposed to talk about. There's not a thought in my brain at all, but I have to get out of this.
Sinclair:I know the monologue's about good and evil kind of, and I did used to work as a pastor a while ago. So I go like into a mini sermon about it and then just I know the last line and then just cut it off and we get out of it. Okay, it's fine. I was like whoop made it all right. Nobody knew except for Garrett and everyone else in the Gap, but it's fine. And then I'm talking to Valerie Swinson after the show and she said I loved your little sermon today about good and evil. It was really good tonight because she saw the show Every night.
Daniel:I was gonna say she saw that every night.
Sinclair:She knew, she saw that every night. For a while she called me out. Come on, val, come on.
Daniel:Why do I just imagine her at some point? Amen, yeah, she was with me.
Sinclair:She was like it was good, I said thank you, thank you. I just, I don't know, my brain it broke, I don't know what happened.
Daniel:I feel like I would have blacked out and 20 minutes later I'm still talking.
Sinclair:I was like nothing, not a thought in my brain.
Daniel:I'm surprised that because I know Garrett.
Sinclair:Yes.
Daniel:I know he's a professional actor. He sure is, but I'm surprised he didn't break out and laugh or anything, because he was a true pretty girl.
Sinclair:He just stared at my eyes. He was like come on, come on.
Daniel:Well, if he was probably like, yes, like feeling it with you at the same time, oh my God, yeah, I know I'm horrible at lines.
Sinclair:I'm horrible Sometimes.
Daniel:Like I need the book for at least a good six months. Not six months, because if you want me to memorize it, no, anytime. I audition, even audition songs, I cannot. There's no space in here. I don't know if it's all the alcohol.
Sinclair:I call myself God's favorite goldfish.
Daniel:I mean, I'm God's favorite whale.
Sinclair:Now I have to laugh like this you did that. Yeah, I did it. You're fine, beluga.
Daniel:Beluga from here on out. No, for the life of me cannot remember, Just because there's nothing there. I can't explain it. Oh, I tell you the same goldfish. Because of the line You're saying, because of short memory.
Sinclair:Yes, I'm with you now. Now you're with me, I'm a dummy.
Daniel:So I called myself a whale for no reason yeah, I was like, well, that OK.
Daniel:That's not me. So, yeah, no, I think that. Has there ever been a show or anything that you've seen that was just like oh, am I really Like? I've had moments before where I'm like I'm sitting here watching a show about who was it? It was like a brand new show where they're like doing someone's life and I was like, am I really watching this right now? Am I really watching this show that's about someone's life, or like a show where you've like taken yourself out of the moment?
Sinclair:Yes, like oh, this was I don't know. This was years ago, man, probably eight or so years ago. Some, some random group of students were like we're putting on a play in a warehouse off.
Sinclair:Riverfront.
Sinclair:Boulevard. So they knew when I did and it was like immersive, but it was just, it was just bad. It was just bad. There was like they tried to talk about like heavy hitting issues without any of the gravitas and it ended up just being funny and I don't really want to giggle at like debating, no, no, like birth control, that's not funny. But I'm laughing because you're doing a bad job and it felt like the SNL skit of, like the high school students in the Black Fox, yeah, yes, yes yes, yes, yes, that whole type of vibe.
Sinclair:It was not, it was not not my favorite.
Daniel:I mean I. It would not be my favorite either, so I understand where you're coming from.
Sinclair:I hope they had a good time.
Daniel:There you go, there you go. Have you ever thought about what is your regular day job? What do you do on the regular Like? What are your passions? What would you do? What passion besides theater? Tell me the other side of Sinclair that gets you.
Sinclair:Yeah, Um, before. I mean I feel like I've lived a million lives. Most recently I worked in advertising and work as a strategist. I really liked that, but I'm kind of shifting into trying to do acting more full time and, with that, doing personal training on the side. So I love working out.
Daniel:You look great, thank you, yeah, yeah.
Sinclair:Yeah, I love working out. It's really fun. I like like moving and helping people move if they want to get strong, if you want to, whatever. So that's coming soon. I'm working on that.
Daniel:Yeah, so you're going to do like a whole thing for it.
Sinclair:Yes, Put it out there, yeah.
Daniel:Yeah, you're like the champ for all the actors in the area. Everyone's going to you for.
Sinclair:I hope so. Come on, let's do it.
Daniel:Yeah, no, that'd be great. I think that. No, like I said, I feel like you've bulked up even more since the last time I've seen you so nice. As far as other passions, would you say that you have a dream show that you've always wanted to do, whether you're, you know, on stage, offstage or somewhere. Another dream show? Let's start with that.
Sinclair:Yeah, I'm a couple for like straight stage stuff. I would love to be a fellow one day. That sounds like so fun, I like would you want to?
Daniel:do the like PBS version where they're doing like the new. Have you seen those where it's like the modern? Yeah yes, but they still use the old language. I love that. I Danielle Brooks, yo who are you, Danielle Brooks?
Sinclair:a revelation of the color purple.
Daniel:Yes, can I tell you, I sobbed, so I think I made it 20 minutes into the movie and then just cried all the time through the rest of it, like I often. I think I was wailing when Nettie came back.
Sinclair:Yes, absolutely. My family was like are you OK? I said no, she's back, she's alive but Danielle Brooks killed.
Daniel:I was I didn't expect it. Honestly, I didn't. I didn't really. If she doesn't win something she has to Like, don't get me wrong. Fantasia amazing. Yes, everybody but but Danielle, the acting, yes, the which I already knew, because I mean her and that. What is it that she did? As you like it.
Sinclair:Yeah, yeah, I think that's what she did.
Daniel:Phenomenal, like delivery. Everything was just a command, like she knew what she was doing. Yeah, every single thing. Yeah, yeah, I'd love to see like Shakespeare in the park or something. Try to do one of those. Take a modern, take on something. I think that that's just so different. I mean even they're like because they would like had an outdoor picnic and there's like a barbecue. Yes, I love the way that they were just like fully invested into really making it modern using the old language.
Daniel:Yes, I think you, like you, would also do great at a regular production.
Sinclair:Well, sure, but like more fun, for me at least, to do the modernized version, and I love like seeing customers get to shine in that way too. Like period pieces are super fun, obviously like so, so fun. But I thought the costuming and as you like it was just like so vibrant and like really brought it to the modern era too. So that's cool.
Daniel:No, I heard that completely no, a fellow would be great. I mean, I can't tell you how many times I've watched Sir Ian McKellen or you know any of his older stuff. Oh yeah, I just feel thinking about it. Yeah, I was just watching Monday. I can't remember if it was a fellow or what it was, but he's like in a room full of mirrors and like has this huge monologue and just everything. His delivery is just phenomenal as well and I think you have that power behind your voice where it's just like you really. That's why I thought for a minute maybe you would even do education. I was like you have this command about.
Sinclair:I did do that as well. Yeah, I worked in preschool education for five years, in special ed for one, oh wow.
Daniel:Oh, wow, I like that. Ok, so, a fellow, are there any other shows or any other characters you really see yourself or want to put out into the DFW area for you to?
Sinclair:Yeah, I mean, if anyone wants to do a ragtime again, I'd love to do that.
Daniel:I'd love to go on. I think that Ragtime on a smaller scale would also do it really well. Yes, like, don't get me wrong. Lyric I love their large productions, I love it, and now that they've moved to the moody, I think that it'll fit them. Oh, yeah, but I'd love to see a smaller you know just a tighter production of it here in the area.
Sinclair:I agree, I think people get scared. But I think you're right, I think that could work.
Daniel:so well, yeah, well, and it's just so. That show in itself is just phenomenal. It's written beautifully, yes, the way that it interweaves historical events into it. Speaking of so, I had never seen the show before, but I listened to a lot of Broadway songs, right, and so in college I love Make them Hear you.
Daniel:That song is just like it hits me in my heartstrings and it just hits all the right places. And so I remember going to my voice teacher and being like I think for my senior recital I'm going to sing. Make them Hear you. That was almost her exact reaction, because Stupid Daniel had not thought to read up on the synopsis of the show or anything at all. Turns out it's a very, very racially charged show.
Sinclair:In case y'all didn't know yeah, Raktime is pretty racially charged.
Daniel:So it's kind of the basis of the whole show. That song is like the penultimate moment of like nah right. So she was like we're going to pick another one. Think I did Purpose.
Sinclair:It's great. We love Purpose and I was like yeah yeah.
Sinclair:And I find my purpose.
Daniel:So, but yeah, no. But speaking of that song, like I said, it's just beautiful. I think it's perfect, and it's actually one song that you're going to perform for us today which makes me very excited and I can't wait to hear it. So pumped to sing it, I might cry. That's okay, you were holding me, yeah.
Sinclair:I was like oh man.
Daniel:This is one of my favorite songs, and when you had this on your list, I think you had it for everything too.
Daniel:So it's obviously one of your favorites. When I saw this show at Lyric and I mean I had already seen it during the travel, right During the tour, and I just remember sobbing my eyes out and I mean Lyric, beautiful I can't remember his name, oh my gosh, I'll look it up in post, but amazing, definitely a dream role for you. Yes, absolutely Right. Just a beautiful piece of music. Great, I mean, let's not make some weight any longer.
Sinclair:Yeah, go out and tell our story. Let it echo far and wide. Make them hear you. Make them hear you how justice was our battle and how justice was denied. Make them hear you. Make them hear you and say to those who blame us for the way we chose to fight that sometimes there are battles that are more than black or white, and I could not put down my sword when justice was my right. Make them hear you. Go out and tell our story to your daughters and your sons. Make them hear you. Make them hear you and tell them in our struggles we were not the only ones. Make them hear you. Make them hear you. Your sword can be a sermon or the power of the pen. Teach every child to raise his voice. And then, my brothers, then Will justice be demanded by ten million righteous men. Make them hear you. When they hear you, I'll be near you Again.
Daniel:As we just came off the most emotional song of my life. Love how that's how we came into that. Thanks a lot, sinclair Ruin the moment. No, I want to thank you for joining me on the show today for episode number two. You were definitely like I said. I talked to Danny a little bit and I was like, hey, who should I have on the show, who would really bring something that I can put out there? And your name came up on both sides, and so I'm just very appreciative that you agreed because, believe me, at first, when I was sliding into your DMs, oh my God.
Sinclair:I'm sorry.
Sinclair:I'm sorry to everyone.
Daniel:So thank you for being here, thanks for really putting it all out there and telling your story.
Daniel:Tell your story. See, I can sing it now, julia. So thank you for that. Guys, make sure you catch us on all social media. I'm going to tell it right here, that way you can see me. You can get us at Daniel does DFW, and that's on Instagram, on tick talk, here on YouTube, where you're watching it currently, and then also we have a Facebook page, so make sure you follow everything. You like it all. Sinclair's already done it, because I made sure of it before we started the interview. That's a requirement. Yeah, that's what I thought, or no more? Yeah, pull out your phone now. So thanks again. Make sure you watch this episode as many times as you can, mom, so I can get more views again and we'll catch you next time.
Daniel:Hang on to those tea cups. Sinclair's stinky Stinker barely don't work. Stinker, barely don't work. Very good, very good.
